And then within schizophrenia it has unique symptoms that it doesn't necessarily share all the time with the others, which is why it is being considered to be its own separate spectrum.
9:56 PM
like, sometimes you need to punch a person, but if you're going around punching people in the street that's crazy
Unless you assert that they are metaphysical, they're just in your head, which places them the exact same as an advanced hallucination which seems sentient.
That's true, and why I corrected to delusion at the end.
9:59 PM
If you look at it from a scientific, outside in perspective, that's the plausible answer, which would be explained by it being a certain point on the considered spectrum under schizophrenia.
In your head - a Tulpa is not a separate physical entity to you, it's therefore in your head
Hallucination - experiencing sensations which aren't there, such as audible imposition
Delusion - a solid belief that something is happening which is outside of currently known limitations or rationality, much of the time supported by hallucination but not necessarily(edited)
While I don't personally agree with this view, but I thought I'd bring it up because with schizophrenia potentially being expanded into its own spectrum it becomes plausible that we are inducing certain specialized and controlled symptoms of it, exactly how the researches were able to do, just with a larger scale in our case.
10:05 PM
They were able to do it by training patterns, which if you think about it, forcing, which is training your brain in visualizing specific patterns, conversation in the mind, etc. could lend itself to something similar yet not exact.
I can tell you that not all tulpamancy can be on the spectrum even under your expanded definitions. As it lies well within the known limits of rationality.
Contact is not lost with reality so it's not necessarily a psychotic disorder except for the people who can get to the point where they can actually totally disconnect themselves.
10:07 PM
Not all tulpamancy, no, but the moment imposition gets involved, etc it because plausible.
If you can push it to the point where you're imposing your wonderland, for example, I'd say that can be safely labelled as a temporary state of psychosis.
A lot of people in the community don't seem to have an easy time differentiating if their Tulpa is separate entity, either, so for a lot of the metaphysical crowd, I think that's checked alongside the delusion (specifically for the metaphysical crowd in this case) if we are looking from a purely rational/scientific standpoint.
Yes, but it is very different there. I know. I have had both. Not knowing if I was the same person as my host was not the same as a psychotic break, at all.
Religious beliefs and believing you have a separate spirit entity within you and interacting with the world are very different things and should not be exempted.
10:17 PM
Plus, looking at the metaphysics chat right now tells a little more than religious belief.
Existence itself is processed within your head, so anything you experience internal or external is real, but it's the separation aspect which is sort of a big unknown
An independent, speaking, sentient Tulpa is definitely real, but being truly separate is the unknown here, and the mechanisms which make Tulpa possible, is what I was going over, with delusion being a potential mechanism for how it happens.
10:26 PM
Not something we believe, but I always want to present as many possibilities as I can at any given time especially with something we just don't know at all.
That's not necessarily true, tulpabug, think bigger. An advanced delusion could be as advanced as a seemingly sentient "consciousness" which appears to function on its own even to the point of switching places. That's why I consider it a possibility - not a super likely one, not one I believe in, but a worthwhile possibility to bring up.(edited)
Again, not quite, think bigger. Yes, a delusion's subject can not be real objectively, but it can be very real subjectively to the deluded person. So they may process it as totally real, experiencing it to the point where they feel it as a separate consciousness, etc, and "switching" into a state where they believe they are controlled by the delusion, which is in reality just another personality they believe to be its own sentient consciousness. Again, it's not particularly likely, but it's absolutely a possibility in terms of the mechanisms which enable tulpamancy, not so much the parameters which a full Tulpa exists within.
Right, which is why I was clear what it's possible that it enables general tulpamancy but a full Tulpa does not exist within the limitations/parameters of a delusion
That's a whole separate philosophical discussion, I'm talking about the psychological mechanisms to facilitate it, not the philosophical ramifications of what a Tulpa is.
10:36 PM
A personality in the case of that message would be nothing more than a perception of certain traits and an almagamation of differences from the host, which is the context I was using personality in, I couldn't necessarily think of a better word. Sorry for being unclear, I know I fucked up the wording there.(edited)
10:37 PM
A formed tulpa is a whole lot more than a delusion, but it's entirely possible that the ability for advanced delusion is what facilitates the ability for Tulpa creation.
I don't know... maybe Tulpas are the closest thing to someone's experience. If Tulpas were delusional, then modern society failed us by not giving us an alternative.
Tulpas are a halucination. A delusion is something thats strictly incorrect. You could use it in context like "youre deluding your brain into seeing your tulpa" but using the term "delusion" when talking about tulpas becomes very easy to mistep and say tulpas arnt real(edited)
